i cant find UTPolicyv2

[fidelito]

hello all!
many weeks ago was a post with [Release] UTPolicies v02
now i cant find it. it was removed?

[medor]

no valid link ??

https://www.unrealadmin.org/forums/s...d.php?p=153804

http://www.google.fr/search?q=UTPoli...nt=firefo x-a

[iDeFiX]

It has been removed upon request.
You need to look for alternatives, which I'm not aware about.

[billybill]

alright it was me who was opposed to this being released, and im aware of attempts to make use of it in player balancing and server controllers, even if it was a seperate mod and not part of ACE, a window asking whether the client agrees to being hardware identified would need to be there each time the player connects to the server for me to not be opposed to this. reopen discussion to admin's thoughts on this issue but if you are just wanting to use it to ban players who don't know how to change their HWID, on a so called public server then you have no business being a server admin

[[ZSZ]Evil_Dragon]

Originally Posted by billybill

alright it was me who was opposed to this being released, and im aware of attempts to make use of it in player balancing and server controllers, even if it was a seperate mod and not part of ACE, a window asking whether the client agrees to being hardware identified would need to be there each time the player connects to the server for me to not be opposed to this. reopen discussion to admin's thoughts on this issue but if you are just wanting to use it to ban players who don't know how to change their HWID, on a so called public server then you have no business being a server admin

But you do grant admins of private servers that allow guests on to ban those that cheat or act up, don't you?

[billybill]

if its a private server and kept private thats really none of my business. a public server that is selective over who is "public" or admins who need to ban people to feel better about themselves is my business. theres no excuse for cheating but odds are the cheaters will know how to change their HWID. i'm going to leave this thread for a bit and see what the general consensus is, but even if NPLOADER was modified to allow a message warning them upon installing, they would then not know they were being HWID tracked on servers after that.

and don't think it would be safer in a server controller than if someone was to get your id when you enter their server, and then change their own to yours to pick up admin access on your server, HWID would be just as easy to change

general rule of thumb never use nexgen or asc ID's to admin your servers, unless you are stupid or not intending to play on other peoples servers

edit: i actually think its an awesome idea hardware identifying people on a team balancer for example, dont take my words wrong, and by public generally i mean servers that are advertised as public whether it be on your signature, your website, or anywhere

[Sp0ngeb0b]

Your Nexgen account can't be used by other people even if they got your ID. Nexgen generates a Key when you join the first time and then creates a MD5 checksum of the key, that's your ID. When you join the server again it reads your key and then compares it with your ID. So they can only get your account if they somehow make it to read out your user.ini

[2399Skillz]

What exactly are you opposed to?

[billybill]

i'm opposed to admins banning people for stupid reasons, its hard enough to go online and have a game without some web admin logging in and banning you without the balls to confront you as it is. sure if you are paying for a server you may think you have the right to refuse access to anyone, but in my experience there are people out there advertising as a public server so they can pull in users and then choose who they do or do not want playing there.

if this tool is widely spread it will kill this game, and someone like you skillz would know that if you weren't busy giving forums to people banned from this site for advertising cheats

[billybill]

that wasnt meaning to be a personal attack on you skillz, its a personal attack on the person who's website you host, who's new account here also happens to be on my ignore list. now we know where you stand on releasing this mod wouldnt that also mean less downloads on your redirect

Originally Posted by Sp0ngeb0b

Your Nexgen account can't be used by other people even if they got your ID. Nexgen generates a Key when you join the first time and then creates a MD5 checksum of the key, that's your ID. When you join the server again it reads your key and then compares it with your ID. So they can only get your account if they somehow make it to read out your user.ini

[but of course 'bad' server admins would be able to log your key with a hacked Nexgen, no need to tell me ]

while im not familiar with nexgen, why would they need a modified version to collect your ID and generate an md5 checksum from it, sure they could make a mod with the same name to read local variables but you would notice it downloading for a second time

this was already made public and retracted, i'd like to see it seperated from ACE and said changes made before it gets used in anything

[PizzaMan]

Originally Posted by billybill

sure if you are paying for a server you may think you have the right to refuse access to anyone,

You may think so, and you would be absolutely right.

If you own the playground, you can choose who you want to play with - as long as they want to play with you, of course. It is as simple as that.

You are twisting the concept of "private" and "public" here. Most servers are privately owned or rented, it is just that no password is needed to gain access (the door is open), so other people come there to play, too. If some of these people happen to ruin your fun, then it makes perfect sense to deny them access to the server.

[iDeFiX]

Originally Posted by billybill

alright it was me who was opposed to this being released...

You weren't the only one.

[Sp0ngeb0b]

Originally Posted by billybill

while im not familiar with nexgen, why would they need a modified version to collect your ID and generate an md5 checksum from it, sure they could make a mod with the same name to read local variables but you would notice it downloading for a second time

The only thing people get to know from you is your ClientID (out of logs etc). But if they try to use your ID, they will fail. Their ClientKEY has to match with the ID.

Again, the ID is the MD5 checksum of the KEY. And you can't crack this MD5 sum, so there's no way they can get your KEY.


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[rork]

Originally Posted by billybill

i'm opposed to admins banning people for stupid reasons, its hard enough to go online and have a game without some web admin logging in and banning you without the balls to confront you as it is.

So because there are admins who ban for stupid reasons this tool should be withheld from all admins? Just ignore the servers of those admins, if it was up to me I wouldn't play on a server that is adminned by someone who bans me because I flakked him down. But then, I'm not a serverhopper or someone who is likely to get banned anyway (I hope).

Originally Posted by billybill

reopen discussion to admin's thoughts on this issue but if you are just wanting to use it to ban players who don't know how to change their HWID

The essence of this tool is to ban people who don't know how to change their HWID, that's why it's a ban tool and not a kick tool. Sure you can still ban on ip while half of the isp's use dynamic ip addresses, people who are banned for whatever reason don't even have to do anything but reconnect to the internet for being able to join again. So for the admin it means he has to ban one, or more, ip-ranges. So IP bans are of limited use these days and might affect more players then just the banned one. A tool like this fixes that problem, that's what its meant for and that's what it will be used for.

[fidelito]

Originally Posted by rork

So because there are admins who ban for stupid reasons this tool should be withheld from all admins? Just ignore the servers of those admins, if it was up to me I wouldn't play on a server that is adminned by someone who bans me because I flakked him down. But then, I'm not a serverhopper or someone who is likely to get banned anyway (I hope).


The essence of this tool is to ban people who don't know how to change their HWID, that's why it's a ban tool and not a kick tool. Sure you can still ban on ip while half of the isp's use dynamic ip addresses, people who are banned for whatever reason don't even have to do anything but reconnect to the internet for being able to join again. So for the admin it means he has to ban one, or more, ip-ranges. So IP bans are of limited use these days and might affect more players then just the banned one. A tool like this fixes that problem, that's what its meant for and that's what it will be used for.

I agree with you m8.
All admin are not the same, all admin dont ban people for stupid reason m8.
Well do not private the good admin from this Tools, dont make a generality please.

[{MOS}*KrystoF*]

I agree too with rork.
If all moder think the same so nobody will use the Tools.
In UT communauty there are good and bad admin and that since UT start.
Do not deprive the goods Admins for what some bad Admins do.
If you made a good thing, well lets us try.
ty in advance.

[[ZSZ]Evil_Dragon]

Originally Posted by rork

A tool like this fixes that problem, that's what its meant for and that's what it will be used for.

Roger that.

The big upside is it allows a lot of innocent players to still join the server instead of being punished for what on guy has done. With IP-ban or even Hostname-ban you'd lock out a lot more.

[LeeBe]

Originally Posted by billybill

if you are just wanting to use it to ban players who don't know how to change their HWID, on a so called public server then you have no business being a server admin

I disagree, that statement is completely wrong

the whole point of a hwid is that we can track and ban players using it

the only people I can see opposed to such actions are cheaters & lamers

[billybill]

alright so lets encourage all the good players out there to change their hardware ID and get involved with groups who specialise in it (cheaters). and to reiterate, the cheaters will know how to change it anyway

i still support it being released for mods that are not ban related unless there is a window informing them, but even then someone will figure out how to use the HWID and put it into their server controller. all im asking is for a window on any mod using HWID

thanks for the opinions now i've a fair grasp on the type of people admining servers

[PizzaMan]

Originally Posted by billybill

alright so lets encourage all the good players out there to change their hardware ID and get involved with groups who specialise in it (cheaters).

Why? Why should these "good players" fear a hardware based (or any other) ban system? Are you referring to yourself here.. have you perhaps been banned a few places? If that is the case, then I can understand why you dont want a more efficient tool for this purpose.